First X# runtime: available to the public?

wriedmann · Post by **wriedmann** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:17 am

Hi Robert,

will the first X# version with the runtime be a public or a FoX release?

On the on side there are a lot of people waiting for this release, on the other side it would be easier to have it only used by a restricted number of persons.

Wolfgang

P.S. I will start to try it immediatly with my AlpiLog application because there I don't need the DBFCDX RDD (that I need in every other VO application).

FFF · Post by **FFF** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:18 am

Public. Why? Firstly, to show what a helluva job this small team does. Second, the pressure on the "restricted" is far harder to deliver thorough testing. Do you have the (additional) time?
If public response will be overwhelming

no problem, the support reaction time of this group was/is so short, noone will have a problem to wait a bit.
Finally, many moons ago i suggested to the man in florida to open the betas, but channel the reflow through the heads of the usergroups, to minimize the pressure on dev. (Needless to say, never a response...) But this we could handle, i think.

Karl

wriedmann · Post by **wriedmann** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:29 am

Hi Karl,

I had only asked what the team has planned.... And as I wrote: it is easier to manage with a restricted group...

On the other side: I don't know how many people will start trying without the DBFCDX RDD. And that is scheduled for a later release.

And I agree: it is incredible what this team has accomplished the last months and years!

Wolfgang

robert · Post by **robert** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:23 am

Wolfgang, Karl

Good question.

There are arguments for each case:

By releasing to FOX only we give an extra reward to the people that have supported us (and hopefully that will stimulate others to subscribe too)
By releasing to the public we know that it will be tested more and most likely bugs will be found and solved quicker
By releasing to the public we will have more support work, but I am sure we can handle that.

What would you do ?

Robert

wriedmann · Post by **wriedmann** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:33 am

Hi Robert,

I would release in two waves: first the FoX, and maybe 7-10 days later to the public.

So if there are urgent issues they can be fixed before the public release.

Wolfgang

lumberjack · Post by **lumberjack** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:37 am

Hi Robert,

robert wrote: What would you do ?

A a non FOX subscriber (hope to change that sooner than later), I am happy to wait e.g. a month for the FOX subscribers to sort out bugs before the rest of us flood you with "real" bugs....

That said, probably easier since I even in the pre-X# days forced myself not to make use of the <Language>RT[Funcs], except for macro-compiled codeblocks, which I believe became part of X# in my absence that I have not yet tested.

Regards,

Otto · Post by **Otto** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:40 am

I would release in two waves: first the FoX, and maybe 7-10 days later to the public.
So if there are urgent issues they can be fixed before the public release.

Sounds sound

FFF · Post by **FFF** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:32 am

Otto,
first, i doubt "serious" issues will not have already been seen and fixed by the team, second, as much as i'd like it, i don't see thousands of people rush to get and test the runtime. Would be astonished, if the first wave will go beyond 200, 10% might immediately do serious checks - and that won't overwhelm the support folks

OTOH, i'd like to see more folks going FOX...

wriedmann · Post by **wriedmann** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:43 am

Hi Karl,

apart from the fact that everyone that earns money with his X# programming should be part of the FoX program: there are many people that are either retired or don't work anymore for money - like Phil or Johan or someone other.
And some of them are contributing and helping here.

Many people is awaiting the first version of the runtime, so I suspect this could be the most downloaded and installed version since the beginning, and there could be issues with the installation or Visual Studio installation that don't show up on the development PCs, but will eventually show up on our PCs. Delaying the public release a few days would give the possibility to exclude some issues, I think.

And for testing: in my VO migration projects I cannot test the runtime because I need the DBFCDX RDD, so I need to stick with the Vulcan runtime a few weeks now. But I have to start a synchronisation tool between an ADS and a MS SQL Server, so this for sure will be my first project using the runtime effectively.

Wolfgang

robert · Post by **robert** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:04 pm

Guys,

Thanks for your input. We will deliver the first beta to the FOX subscribers only and maybe to some "special" non Fox users that kindly request it.

After a week or so we will release it to the general public (most likely with some changes because you guys managed to break some things

)

Robert

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